Curse

Evilsod · Jun 08, 2006, 08:14 PM // 20:14

Ok so Savage Slash and Skull Crack both got power boosts. They interrupt at 1/2 cast so they can actually have a chance of connecting.

What about Disrupting Chop? Its still almost impossible to target on shorter spells. Would it really unbalance an axe warrior if you could actually target this interrupt rather than either hoping for the best or going for a very long cast spell.

If this is more relevant in Sardelic, move it if you wish.

sh4ft3d · Jun 08, 2006, 11:43 PM // 23:43

Disrupting would be overpowering. Why daze someone for 10 seconds when you can shut down their spam spell for less adrenaline and for a longer time? And the whole "notanelite" thing. Meh :\

Batou of Nine · Jun 09, 2006, 12:50 AM // 00:50

sh4ft3d...

Umm, you saying it would be overpowered if they boosted its attk speed? And what is your point about Skull crack?

huh?... Well, to the Evilsod, i fully agree. As it is, the ONLY adrenaline disruption skill is way too slow to achieve any effective strikes. Since it sits at the normal attack speed, usually you hope for a random spell to get interrupted, or just wait to use for a long caste spell. I feel that Disrupting Chop needs a boost not only cause that, but cause most warriors dont use Savage Slash or even Distracting Blow because they require energy.

If they simply just lowered the adren cost, that would help alleviate its weaknesses, and better balance this skill with other warrior interrupts. Then it could be used more often for random skill interrupts. I'd rather it get a faster attk speed though...

enjoy.

Megengo · Jun 09, 2006, 12:58 AM // 00:58

As soon as they made the changes to Skull Crack and Savage Slash, I felt that Disrupting Chop was getting kinda screwed. As far as I know Disrupting Chop is the only interrupting attack skill in the game that doesn't have a 1/2 second activation time. I think that if they changed it to 1/2 second and increased the adrenaline cost from 6 to 7 or 8 it would be perfect. Leaving it at 6 strikes would probably be kinda unbalanced because you could spam it too often if you focused on other skills that increase adrenaline ie: "For Great Justice" + IAS stance, Battle Rage, "You Will Die", "To the Limit", etc.

fb2000 · Jun 09, 2006, 02:03 PM // 14:03

if the activation time is reduced, itll have to be elite skill and probably 8-10 adrenaline..
15 sec disabled skill is good enough imo.. daze isnt great either, target can always receive some Mend condition or anything, disrupting chop has no work-arounds if it hits

tomcruisejr · Jun 09, 2006, 02:09 PM // 14:09

its a regular chop with disrupting and disabling effects. maybe its not meant to be an interrupt skill. or yea maybe they forgot to update this.

fatboyslimerr · Jun 09, 2006, 02:33 PM // 14:33

Maybe leave disruptive chop as it is, with its skill disabling power, and create a new skill called irritating swing or something, frustrating lunge or something of equal silliness that could be a spamable interrupt (3-4 adrenaline) but only interrupts and does nothing else... perhaps

fb2000 · Jun 09, 2006, 03:04 PM // 15:04

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Originally Posted by fatboyslimerr

Maybe leave disruptive chop as it is, with its skill disabling power, and create a new skill called irritating swing or something, frustrating lunge or something of equal silliness that could be a spamable interrupt (3-4 adrenaline) but only interrupts and does nothing else... perhaps

Distracting blow.. only thing is its 5 energy instead of adrenaline, but that is not necessarily a bad thing

remmeh · Jun 09, 2006, 07:47 PM // 19:47

it's nearly impossible to interrupt even 1s spells with this unless you randomly hit one. ):

SnipiousMax · Jun 09, 2006, 07:50 PM // 19:50

^ As it stands it's kind of a 'Lotto' skill. You punch it, and hope it disrupts the spam skill. No timing, just a blind hopeful guess. So I agree with sod, it needs to be updated.

lord of shadow · Jun 09, 2006, 07:55 PM // 19:55

making it half a second and nothing else would be overpowered, as it stands it isnt a huge loss just to spam it because it still hits for a normal amount if it doesnt disrupt. i say reduce the adrenaline cost to 3-4 strikes and iit'll be fine

Katari · Jun 09, 2006, 08:48 PM // 20:48

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Originally Posted by remmeh

it's nearly impossible to interrupt even 1s spells with this unless you randomly hit one. ):

It is rather difficult to interupt 1s skills with any interupt. Many people just can't react that fast.

What Disrupting Chop is good for is disabling skills like orision. The idea is to wear down the boss untill it is spamming orision. Then watch one cast, and time your attack to land with the next cast, 2s latter.

Age · Jun 09, 2006, 08:58 PM // 20:58

This is fine as it is it would be nice if sword warriors had nice inturrpt as well but savage slash is useless now.

sh4ft3d · Jun 09, 2006, 09:29 PM // 21:29

Sorry, yes i was talking about improved cast speed. My point about Skull Crack was that it would get screwed if they updated Disrupting chop and didn't make it elite. And noone would use disrupting chop if it was elite, because axe wars bring damage skills like eviscerate or cleave. (normally)

JoDiamonds · Jun 09, 2006, 09:40 PM // 21:40

I think it's a good thing that some interrupts are slow; it makes them different.

Sure, you'll only interrupt 1s skills through random luck (or excellent predictions about what the other guy is doing, which is possible if you know all the skills well enough). But I think chop is still useful; stopping long cast skills is obviously very useful (because they are often the more powerful effects). If you want to be able to interrupt things very quickly, play a Mesmer or Ranger (up close with a fast bow). This isn't something warriors are very good at, so I think this is fine.

Evilsod · Jun 11, 2006, 11:36 AM // 11:36

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Originally Posted by Katari

It is rather difficult to interupt 1s skills with any interupt. Many people just can't react that fast.

What Disrupting Chop is good for is disabling skills like orision. The idea is to wear down the boss untill it is spamming orision. Then watch one cast, and time your attack to land with the next cast, 2s latter.

Its not a question os been difficult. Its *possible*. Anyone with a reaction time of below 0.45seconds can interrupt a 1s skill with a Distracting Shot (from point blank). Anyone with a reaction time of about 0.8 (including fast casting) can interrupt using a Mesmer. What i've never figured out is how Disrupting Chop is so insanely hard to target, yet Stone Summit Carvers quite calmy interrupt attack skills and many other <1s skills with it. The only time you can interrupt with it is if you know the targets gonna cast. You can pretty much guarantee if a monk in PvE is half dead, 3 seconds after 1 Orison, it'll cast it again.

Obviously just plainly boosting its Speed and not increasing its Adren Cost would be pretty unbalanced, but that can be sorted out... Could be made similar to Distracting Shot in the sense that levels on Axe Mastery boost its damage (on a scale of 1-16). Its just ridiculous atm, i even managed to miss a Giant Stomp while waiting for it since they just carried on with there current attack rather than going straight for the interrupt. I should probably just take Distracting Blow, at least then i'd stand a chance of hitting something.

Jestah · Jun 11, 2006, 11:48 AM // 11:48

If you want a 1/2 second activation one just go with the no attribute one (forget the name). Why make two almost identical skills? All skills have their advantages and weaknesses, one gets 1/2 sec and the other is adrenal and disables. Take your pick. Plus I think an adrenal 1/2 second interupt would be a bit overpowered.

Edit: Just one more thing..I have no problem at all interupting 1s casts under IAS with Distracting Blow. Since tanking sucks even in PvE now, Warriors have more than enough space on their bar for IAS.

Evilsod · Jun 11, 2006, 11:56 AM // 11:56

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Originally Posted by Jestah

If you want a 1/2 second activation one just go with the no attrubite one (forget the name). Why make two almost identical skills? All skills have their advantages and weaknesses. Plus I think an adrenal 1/2 second interupt would be a bit overpowered.

Edit: Just one more thing..I have no problem at all interupting 1s casts under IAS. Since tanking sucks even in PvE now, Warriors have more than enough space on their bar for IAS.

Hmm, i see your point. I usually bring Berserkers Stance though if anything, and its a bit of a waste ending it if you miss. (Spectral Agony + Frenzy = PAIN)

Jestah · Jun 11, 2006, 12:07 PM // 12:07

I've been using Bestial Fury (Tiger's Fury clone) with a zealous axe. It's an 8 second duration at 7 BM and a 9 second duration at 9 BM. Nice combo I've found is using dropping tactics for wilderness and using Troll for healing and Snare to slow Warriors getting to your backline or help kiting. Also means you can precast Troll to absorb the first 5 seconds of tanking before they inevitably attack the rest of the team.

One thing to note, don't try using adrenal non-attack skills with Bestial, disabling also drains adreneline out of them.

frojack · Jun 11, 2006, 10:00 PM // 22:00

Are you people serious? This skill is fine as it is. Reducing the attack speed would make this far too over-powered. 6 adrenaline is nothing. You really think increasing it to 8 or whatever balances anything? Yeah right...

Adrenal cost doesn't mean much to a warrior. Your primary role is dealing damage. If a warrior knew he could disable an opponent's skill for 20 seconds, he will damn well make sure he can achieve enough adrenaline. It's not like you don't need to anyway. even if that number was 12, he would still be there in no time.
All you need is For Great Justice! and an IAS skill to make adrenaline cost meaningless. I won't even talk Auspicious Parry. With an 8 adrenal cost, and using the prescribed buffs, you could disable half the skills on someone's bar in no time. This skill would wreak far too much havoc.
Comments about the recent 'buffs' to Skull Crack and Savage Slash can in no way take anything away from Disrupting Chop. In fact, most would argue that the Savage change was in fact a nerf. I doubt I will use it again at any rate.
Neither only cost's 6 adrenaline, 1 of them is an inferior skill that also happens to be an elite, and most importantly, they do not disable anything for an additional 20 seconds. Even the extra damage on Savage is only applicable to spell interruption, nothing else.
The only way I could ever accept a 1/2 second activation as balanced would be if the 20 second disable was removed, and the adrenaline upped to between 8-10.
As it stands, this skill is fine. Not a prime interrupter skill, but that is not the warriors real job. That's the ranger.